The Unmentionables

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okay yeah, sue me for trying. I just felt like if we were going to have Uchihas, they kind of felt like they were missing something as they are now. but no judging until you attempt to work with me on this, I'm sure it can be made not overpowered... I mean if anyone can do it, I can. 50 is just a working number on the Mangekyō, it can and probably will be changed to a lower number.

Name - Mangekyō Sharingan - Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eye
Type - Doujutsu
Rank - S
Element - None
Description - An advanced form of the Sharingan. The Mangekyō Sharingan is distinguished from a normal Sharingan by its appearance, which changes the form of the tomoe seal. Unlike the Sharingan, the appearance of the Mangekyō Sharingan differs from user to user; Kakashi Hatake's and Itachi Uchiha's both resemble pinwheels, Madara Uchiha's and Izuna's look more like a detailed form of the basic three-tomoe Sharingan, and Sasuke Uchiha's looks like three intersecting ellipses. It also grants them access to other powerful techniques.
-The Mangekyō Sharingan is acquired through the death of the person closest to the Sharingan user. To expedite this occurrence, Uchiha throughout history have killed their closest friends in order to meet this criteria, though how Kakashi gained his Mangekyō Sharingan has yet to be explained. To obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, one must feel the emotion of losing a friend or family, as merely killing them or watching them die will not activate it.
-Over time, use of the Mangekyō Sharingan's techniques deteriorates the user's eyesight to the point of blindness. Those that have awakened it are limited to 30 uses of the three Mangekyō jutsus over their entire career (which must be kept track of). With 10 uses remaining, their eyesight will go blurry after five posts during battle. At 5 uses remaining, their eyesight is permanently blurry. At 0 uses remaining, they will become blind.
-In order to learn this, you must first unlock the Three Tomoe Sharingan.

Name - Tsukuyomi - Moon Reader
Type - Genjutsu
Rank - S
Element - None
Description - Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed. When executed, the jutsu traps the target in an illusion that is completely controlled by the user. For the duration of the technique (determined by the standard genjutsu formula), the user may torture the victim in whatever way desired. Its effectiveness is limited to how long it lasts on the target. At 1 post, the victim will come out of it weary but otherwise okay. At 2 posts, the victim will come out of it feeling exhausted and mentally drained, but with no great damage. At 3 posts, the victim will come out of it mentally beaten, physically exhausted, and having the worst headache of their entire life. They can still fight, but it will be very difficult. At 4 posts and beyond, the victim will come out psychologically tortured and barely able to stand, making it extremely difficult (though not impossible) to continue fighting. Weak minded individuals may even be stricken temporarily insane.
-The use of the jutsu requires a great amount of chakra and concentration. After the duration of the technique, the user's Sharingan will instantly deactivate and will not be able to activate again for another 5 posts. They will also be drained of most of their remaining stamina, causing extreme fatigue, one of their eyes to bleed, and a loss of 1 of their 30 Mangekyō uses.
-Note that this version does not distort the victim's perception of time, as Itachi's did. Just, because, you know, that's pretty bleh.

Name - Amaterasu - Illuminating Heaven
Type - Ninjutsu
Rank - S
Element - Fire
Description - The jet-black flames of the Amaterasu, rumored to be the fires from hell, ignite at the focus of the user's vision. For the purpose of RP, however, there is a max range that the flames can be created, that being a very short range of about three feet. If the target is farther away, the flames will ignite in the air in front of the target and continue traveling like a normal fire jutsu, in the form of a billowing wave of flames. These flames can be temporarily guided at will for two posts. This version, while very difficult to avoid, is not nigh inescapable as the original.
-The flames are exceptionally hot (not as hot as the sun, because that's OP and would likely melt the very earth around it...), capable of burning through anything in their path. The only thing that the flames have seemingly failed to burn into is Gaara's chakra infused sand. However, the flames burn slowly, allowing anyone struck by Amaterasu an opportunity to remove whatever clothing or body parts have been caught ablaze (It takes about five posts before the flames will start to spread to another part of the body).
-Also, unlike the original Amaterasu, these flames can be put out by completely soaking the affected area in water. Extinguishing the flames or removing clothing caught ablaze this will save whatever part of the victim is affected, though will result in varying degrees of crippling effects as a result (for example, losing the use of a limb for the remainder of a fight, or temporary blindness if struck in the face), due to the severity of the burns and excruciating pain.
-After casting this jutsu, the user's Sharingan will instantly deactivate and will not be able to activate again for another 5 posts. They will also be drained of all but the smallest reserves of their remaining stamina, causing extreme fatigue, the ability to only be able to perform C-rank jutsus and below for the remainder of the fight, one of their eyes to bleed, and a loss of 1 of their 30 Mangekyō uses.

Name - Susanoo - Tempestuous God of Valour (Incomplete)
Type - Ninjutsu
Rank - S
Element - None
Description - Susanoo is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan, after the ability in both eyes have been awakened. It creates a gigantic, spiritual humanoid being that surrounds and protects the user. Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra and as such it may differ in appearance and colour between users.
-This is Susanoo's incomplete form. The user can create a Susanoo chakra skeleton that will surround them and provide an exceptional defense against most techniques. However, obscenely powerful blows can damage the skeleton and, in come cases, penetrate the defense. In terms of offense, the skeleton is limited to sweeping, punching, smashing, etc. with its arms.
-This form can last for a maximum of five posts. During this duration, the user may not perform any other jutsus.
-After the Incomplete Susanoo ends, the user's Sharingan will instantly deactivate and will not be able to activate again for another 5 posts. They will also be drained of a large amount of their remaining stamina, causing extreme fatigue and a loss of 1 of their 30 Mangekyō uses.
-The user must first learn Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu before learning Susanoo.

Name - Susanoo - Tempestuous God of Valour (Complete)
Type - Ninjutsu
Rank - S
Element - None
Description - Susanoo is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan, after the ability in both eyes have been awakened. It creates a gigantic, spiritual humanoid being that surrounds and protects the user. Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra and as such it may differ in appearance and colour between users.
-This is Susanoo's complete form. The user can create a a full sized chakra humanoid/demonoid (depending on the user's personal values, the Susanoo may take a full humanoid appearance, like Itachi's, or appear more demonic, like Sasuke's) that will surround them and provide a near impenetrable defense against most techniques. In terms of offense, Susanoo comes equipped with your choice of: sword and shield, crossbow and chakra arrows (capable of firing three at at time), or fire breathing.
-This form can last for a maximum of ten posts. During this duration, the user may not perform any other jutsus.
-After the Complete Susanoo ends, the user's Sharingan will instantly deactivate and will not be able to activate again for the remainder of the battle. They will also be drained of all their remaining stamina, causing extreme fatigue, the inability to perform anymore techniques until they recover, both eyes to bleed, and a loss of 2 of their 30 Mangekyō uses.
-The user must first learn the Incomplete Susanoo before learning the Complete Susanoo

all other abilities of which already have limitations. there is only a limited amount of time you can even use said abilities since the sharingan can only remain active for so long. and once you're done, it has a cooldown in which you can't use them. any of the more powerful abilities, too, forcefully deactivate your sharingan afterwards with another cooldown. Uchihas also have the highest amount of stats that they are forced to put into the jutsu categories, rather than their actual stats. add to that the fact that most of the sharingan's effectiveness is crippled against an opponent with a high genjutsu rating, and you have a very high amount of downsides. we can make how many of those particular jutsus you can use in a fight be based off their stamina or something, the most being three with instant unconsciousness afterwards, but there's no reason why shouldn't actually be able to learn all of them.

Haha but the genjutsu effectiveness is null and void against an Uchiha with maxed out genjutsu stats (since they have the +2 Bonus).

Kenji wrote:

we can make how many of those particular jutsus you can use in a fight be based off their stamina or something, the most being three with instant unconsciousness afterwards, but there's no reason why shouldn't actually be able to learn all of them.

I'd prefer that, it doesn't have to be based on stamina, but a max usage would be fairer.

also you need to learn both ameterasu and Tsukiomi in order to use Susano'o since it's a combination of both eyes abilities. So if you take away one of them, then you won't be able to learn Susano'o. Kenji has given some good points on drawbacks already. The uchiha NEED to have a specific amount of stats in there genjutsu/ninjutsu/taijutsu in order to have the eyes specific level which means there stats in there other catagories won't be as high as all other characters on the sight, so like when Kenji mentioned for Tsukiomi, that can just be voided by the enemy having a high genjutsu and stamina/intell stats. To beat Ameterasu, all the enemy needs is a higher speed state so the uchiha can't keep up, Sasuke already showed this was do able when he was fighting Itachi. And as for Susano'o, it's got soo many draw back that it doesn't really need to have a weakness but does by fighting someone with super strength. There's really nothing else to do with them unless we make them useless. And about your comment about the uchiha percesption and stuff like that, not all of them have the same type of sharingan add on, if i'm not mistaken they are only allowed to have two out of the three add ons. Not everyone is goin to pic perception.

Check the clan page, at each stage of Sharingan the user gets 3 "Sharingan Points", so that by three tomoe, all three specialties are maxed out. And in the Sasuke-Itachi fight, Sasuke did not fight in an rp situation, where everything is tentative. I think it's best with the 3 post max, that leaves room for some strategy and strength while not making the Uchiha unbeatable. The argument for Susano'o doesn't hold either, however, as Sasuke was shown coating it with Amaterasu so that the Raikage had to lose a limb. Tsukiyomi's drawback would not necessarily hold in a fight between an Uchiha with a G Rating of 10 (which is really 12 with the bonus) and a regular shinobi with a G Rating of 10.

the genjutsu bonus you're talking about only applies to perceiving and dispelling genjutsu, not when casting it. Against an opponent with a high genjutsu rating, an Uchiha's genjutsu still isn't going to be very effective, and that's where most of its power comes from. the taijutsu bonus only appleis to dodging and countering, not when attacking, and still is going to be overcome by someone who actually specializes in taijutsu and therefore has a very high taijutsu rating. you can't coat susanoo in amaterasu, or make an amaterasu shield, those are separate jutsu that I didn't put in for those purposes.
EDIT: also, amaterasu can't even completely burn away someone's limb, the most it can do is give an affected area crippling fourth degree burns. while that would normally require amputation in our world, we don't have medical ninjutsu that can regenerate tissue

Alright, that's fine then, I thought the genjutsu bonus assisted in casting them. But if they don't, then that's acceptable. I also just read the C-Rank and below part for Amaterasu. I'm cool with it, but just make sure that other users don't abuse or misuse it and stuff is all. Agreed approval.